Rav sounds wistful, as any sports mad Leeds lad might, who played football for Leeds United's youth teams when Leeds United were a club in the semi-finals of the Champions League, who eventually had to let that dream go.
The vase on the table by which we sit, Tim says, dates from 2200BC, and we think of every vase we've ever seen toppled by a placid cat's paw, and wonder how life here, with a placid cat named Otti prowling the rooms, can possibly be real.
"I call myself a business coach," says Auriel, as if she would rather just call herself Auriel. "I think there is a lot of rubbish talked about coaching both within the coaching world and outside it, and lots of claims made for it that may or may not be true."
"The letter came to my flatmate who showed it to me, and I took it down to the shop and said, 'I'm not who you were expecting, and I'm not a woman, but would you give me an interview?' And that's what changed my life."
Perhaps one day putting my money into the club and into the hands of a Leeds fan won't feel like completely opposite things, which is a lot of what this pre-match protest was about.
"My dad and I, we lived the game. It wasn't his job, it was his passion. I would ask him, 'Why aren't you playing him, he's such a good player?' He'd say, 'Yes, but he doesn't play well with someone else.' And then I would try to see things in this different way."
This is how this weekend felt. Not just the defeat, but the manner of it, the way the cosmos seemed to be taking the monumental piss.
When Poulson was eventually jailed in 1974, for seven years, he was described by the judge as "an incalculably evil man". Poulson remained unrepentant. "I took on the world on its own terms, and no one can deny I once had it in my fist."
When Chris Wood scores a goal like that and runs to the fans in the South Stand, we're the ones who are so desperate to be there to cheer him that we'll pay any price and suffer any indignity.
"I think you need somewhere that you feel like you can get lost in, that you wouldn't bring your mum and dad to, that you wouldn't dream of consuming food in. You need somewhere like that in order to be transported."